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For all those who say "cant wait for your idea". To criticize a system that disregards a composer time and effort into his work is, to my ears, something i havent heard about much before, and that has merit in itself. It seem that many people get hunged up on the idea that you may only speak up if you got it all figured out. If you yourself feel the same way about this system, it should spark up a conversation, instead of disregarding the one that speaks up about it.
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I think about this a lot and it more than anything is what pushed me away from serious musical pursuits.
You phrase this as a problem of the current day but in truth, this has been the dominant model for the entire history of Western concert music. This is why composers until about Beethoven wrote hundreds of entries in a single genre freely repeating both clichés and themselves since it was assumed every piece would be a single ad hoc event.
It's only with advances in information transmission that composers began seeing more value in a smaller body of more differentiated and thoughtful works. But now, the rate and ease of information transmission has accelerated so fast that we live in a culture of constant decay and disposability. Meanwhile, art music has paradoxically become more dense and has required more attention, analysis, and experience than ever before to understand. So it's ignored.
We've written ourselves into a hole where in order to be respectable academically, we must write music that is ignored, only in the hopes that it might be dug up decades later to be given its proper due (which let's face it, it won't)
This is likely a broader issue with all forms of art and even cultural matters altogether, as capitalist efficiency removes any sense of tradition with disposability. Nothing is worth keeping around long anymore and we're caught in a spiral of constant bemusement to distract from the utter insubstantiality of it. The standards of great art have sunk from "a piece that could stay with us for decades" to "a piece that could stay with us for a week, maybe write about it on social media or something"
Many feel the sting of this. A few are strong enough to resist it. But overall, I don't think we as a society can stand against these tides until there's a fundamental economic breakdown and shift.
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How refreshing to hear someone voice this problem. I'm tired of hearing friends telling me "I don't care if no one comes to my concerts, I'll just ask for more money." Music has to be more than a quest for a pay-check .
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This is the first time in any of your videos I’ve sensed your stoic nonchalant resolve fracture somewhat. The frustration is palpable; channel that into something new!
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Composers always served a function. There were barely any "music for music " in history. If it does not serve a purpose bigger than "making music" i say it's normal that it's played once and forgotten.
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I've thrown in the towel recently as well for the same reason. Add to the fact that the money is barely enough to feed yourself with! Much happier now I've stopped gaslighting myself 😅
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This is the same problems everywhere. Never quit music at all! Focus on to compose great music, don't fall into writing music that has premade clichés that has been done already. Empty hall or full, doesn't matter as long as you fulfil your highest aspiration of composing great pieces to the afterworld! But I guess you have much more deeper advice to give, can't wait for it to hear.
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preach it, brother!! I'll be interested to hear what else you have to say about this predicament....
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Enjoy your takes...
Perhaps this is too much to ask, but have you addressed the modern neurosis of classical composers (the "anxiety of influence") over writing new material after so many masters? Relatedly, do you think perhaps the conceit that one must always write in a new style and genre has impoverished modern classical music as becoming too reflexive?
What is to prevent more great music to be written in the style of Bach? Should we really constantly seek the new in genre, style, etc?
Here's a thought-provoking juxtaposition: Which is more likely, that we should exhaust Western tonality permutationally (as Stephen Jay Gould has suggested) or that we should exhaust new genres and styles first?
While I often fear the former more, it seems to me obvious that the latter would run out far sooner than the permutational matrix of harmony itself. If so, a lesson to be taken for how composers might center new music?
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Maybe it's time for the composers assume a frontline of producing their own ensembles, like Steve Reich did in the 70s. How about alternatives for funding, like Crowdfunding ? Many jazz and pop artists have the habit of producing themselves. Only the big stars have a more comfortable position: the stars only have to announce their performances and wait the people to fill the audience. Writing for ensemble of your friends also is interesting, if they are really interested in the music you do. In this way, you don't have to win a competition for a comission. Investing some $$$ for recording your work is also necessary. With the new era of Artificial Intelligence possiblity the value of intellectual works will change... This is a possible scary and distopic future where all the human efforts will be regarded as banal. 😢 Looking forward to see more ideas !! All the best
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It seems that most artistic praxis including music composition is becoming a solitary philosophical meditation - which is not necessarily a bad thing...I can understand the frustration in terms of career aspirations though.
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I understand Samuel. Maybe you could start a rock jazz etc band with French Orourke Harkleroad Van Dyke and maybe Mike Keneally!! Frank Z had to to fund his orchestral works! I love your work and enjoy all your music and interviews too. Have a wonderful Christmas!! Love from Australia xx🎶🐵
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I agree, I think we need to hyper-saturate the market with new composers until the dominant model buckles under the weight of crushing demand
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There are few contemporary compositions worth playing more than once. Most contemporary "classical" music is little more than concepts with no heart.
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Me too, 46 years has been enough. If anyone needs me, I’ll be at the bar listening to AI versions of Hotel California
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I look forward to hearing your proposed solution. But I hope that you are not actually going to quit.
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That's the price of working in a "legacy medium" of writing for a live orchestra or other ensemble.
If I were writing for such a group I would certainly make every effort to get a decent recording of them playing it.
In the 21st century you have to see the recording of music as the primary medium for music. That's what can be listened to (and watched) many times.
The live performance should be seen as a kind of luxury event aimed at generating interest and promoting the music. But the recording has to come first.
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Very interesting and somewhat timely for some thoughts I've had lately. I'm probably pursuing a different compositional path but still related so looking forward to hearing your ideas fleshed out.
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I agree can't we unite as composers .
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@jonnyroxx7172
9 months ago
I feel your pain. I'm just finishing a piece (a suite) I've worked on for the better part of 30 years now. It will be performed once, most likely to an empty hall, all 27 minutes of it. Then, I will go back to playing Knocking on Heaven's Door for tips down at the local pub. Nice folks at the pub...
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