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I consider the flipside. Kenny G is probably an exceptional human being, one of the most legitimately cool and down to earth people out there. Does that make his music good? Nope.
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Fran Liebowitz talked about this and I loved her answer: "I know its possible, because I can do it"
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Depends on your approach. From a sociological point of view of course the artist and the music are inseparable, but also from a lot of other factors. The artist learned their craft from someone, with tools
made by someone else, in a society build
by other people, etc. There is no art like
we experience it today without an entire society and the societies of pur ancestors.
But from a more personal musical approach I agree the work is autonomous, I have plenty of playlists of music that somebody else collected and I have no clue who the people are and I like that, I’m not always interest in who made it or why and I just want to appreciate music as it lands on my ears.
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My general rule about this is that it depends on what the artist's "not so great" aspects are, and how they relate to the work that they make. I find it easier to separate art from artist when the art is about a topic wholly different to the artist's shortcomings as a person, but less so when they, for example, espouse a similar toxic ideology to the one the artist holds, or when they seem hypocritical in response to the artist's actions (e.g. a piece lambasting sexual abuse by an artist that is then revealed to be a sexual predator), or when they may be perceived as pardoning the artist's actions, etc (see, for instance, Roman Polanski's Dreyfuss film where he not-so-subtly implies a link between Dreyfuss' persecution and his own).
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If all artists were judged on their personal behavior, we'd have a lot less art to enjoy and fewer artists producing it.
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It depends on perception of creation and music, a lot of artists through out history have associated the music coming from the universe or god and If that’s the case then the music would absolutely be separated from the artist no matter what , plus perceiving receiving music in this matter transcends music into a much more beautiful place. In my opinion. So to me it’s very easy to separate the art from the artist.
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It’s a bit like asking whether character matters in a politician, or only their policies. Artists often encode wordlessly truthful statements that would never make it past government censors, which historically has imbued their works with vital social relevance. What sets a Shostakovich apart from a Khrennikov is the content of that communication, but a large part of the business of great art is criticism. A great performer is a sympathetic critic of the score; a great composer is a sympathetic critic of society.
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Completely agree with everything you said
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Art and artist are not separated. But they're distinct, which means that one doesn't reduce to the other.
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I think, at the first step, if we take the terms "appreciation" or "understanding" not as finding a single, definitive, true meaning (or meaning), it will be less problematic and tricky. of course, any experience (and also the person who's had it) is individual by its own. and anything that concerns or somehow accompanies an experience, will makes that experience richer and more meaningful (me myself, unless when I'm reading a piece or listening to it with studying purpose, would rather listen or read a work by a dear friend for know more of the world of him/her).
of course, we have mediums, those work as languages with certain histories and references, restrict and put limits on us as artists or audiences. but both artist and audience are, in a way, made up by those languages and mediums.
so, I write poem, but the poem (or the language) has already written me. I try to free up my voice, but the poem is the only tool I have. so I decide not to write, OR instead, I remove "myself" in my poetry, or try to get more distance possible from the language. Maybe the meaning is hidden in the blank spaces. Maybe I exist in my poetry with my absence!
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I think a lot of great art enters our world DESPITE the personalities involved, rather than BECAUSE of them.
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Nothing tricky about this topic to me. Art is for art's sake only. If we found out Bach was horrible by today's standards, I'd still love his work tomorrow,
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Depends on the nature and degree of the faults and transgressions. Of my childhood favourites Gary Glitter is now unlistenable. If he were not the person he is I'd derive nostalgic enjoyment from that unique primal music but he's now banished and I haven't heard him for years.
Captain Beefheart was controlling and bullied the Magic Band members but he's a constant in both my listening and development as a musician.
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I think a lot of people tend to magnify the flaws of certain composers. In rap music it is even worse. You can find countless armies of awful music produced by people who are violent, sociopaths, misogynists, criminals, drug addicts, etc.
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Instant thought -> Wagner
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Non of the great composers have been great people, not even close.
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Consider that you decide the answer is that an artist’s work should be valued by the merits of the artist as a person. That we should not listen to music made by bad people. Well then, we must not listen to any music at all. All music evolved over time, and at some point the theory and practice of music, of making instruments, or of the science of acoustics, was contributed to by a person with inexcusable flaws. Therefore all subsequent music is tainted by their influence.
The same goes for architecture, science, maths, agriculture, everything. If we are to judge anything based on the contribution made by the people who came before, we should break up the roads and railways, tear down the damns, burn all the textbooks, and start from scratch every generation.
Clearly this is absurd, and so it is necessary to put aside moral considerations regarding the innovations and progress of anything unless we propose to return ourselves to the Stone Age.
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@minch333
1 year ago
It's a tricky topic for sure. Honestly though, when they're an artist of the past, it's a lot easier to appreciate their work because the appreciation doesn't exactly benefit them. It becomes more complicated when they're actually alive because your financial and emotional support can end up bolstering the power they have and have used to act in abusive ways or can legitimise whatever dodgy viewpoints they may hold. The viewpoints issue is even more complicated as it can lead to a suppression of freedom of thought
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