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I see your argument and I raise you one more: it's not only the styles that universities nurture but also the ones they dismiss. Europe has a strong avantgarde tradition and if the students' personal tendecies are too removed from it (for example if they wanted to write more conventionally), they might not be able to get enrolled at all. Let us remember that one Rite-like scandal in post-War Darmstadt when the audience protested against the thirds and sixths.
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It will be great If you can make a video or serie of videos, or a masterclass about Brian Ferneyhough's music, specifically how to read his music, how deconstruct and study his scores to interpretate it, for example how to read Bone Alphabet and how to Sol-fa. Thanks
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True! The 60's, 70's,80's avangarde serialism etc...is still doing a lot of damage and minimalism is already a relic. How about trying to compose big memorable melodies again?
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(To anyone wondering, I was a Patron of Samuel for a while and probably sent more than half a dozen pieces to him and he is worth supporting, good feedback and insight!) I to wonder where I sit in these camps. 😵😵 my stuff isn't avant-garde... I think my musical style is nothing necessarily "new". I want to sound like if Bach played jazz and blues. Lol, always looking forward to your videos! Appreciate yo
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I would love to read a book or an article by you breaking this down from a compositional viewpoint. I'm intrigued but am unfamiliar with some of the reference points.
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Spot on Samuel...It's hard to be brave and different. There is an orthodoxy in education, publishing and funding which gives the available money and performances to superficially complex music and is wary of anything else - so it's possible to make a living in that avant-garde world by being 'in the swim'. Dare to step outside it and integrate more direct material and you then run the risk of competing with genuinely 'popular' music where the streaming royalties would leave you penniless...I like both avant-garde and more direct styles if they're original, but it baffles me that 'edge cases' are what grab all the available sponsorship money, performances and prestige publishing - it just becomes a self-fulfilling avant-garde prophesy.
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Agreed, been downhill since the 80’s, the 1780’s that is.
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You nailed it
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There are only a finite amount of techniques before it becomes indecipherable
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It seems from my limited insular view that teh institution is a huge factor. Does this have to do with the academic position as either an adjunct to composing or its opposite- teaching as an adjunct to composing? Either way, it's a closed shop. I'm sure there are individuals who have musical expression as a vocation, who wish to instill that in students. In this strange environment where the will to fame and fortune is so overpowering, an individual voice born from who one is, is dangerous to that goal.
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Because that's pushed and valued in academia . . .
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This is most true. Human culture is a little lost, in these times. Maybe someone should create art to reflect that. A source of inspiration. Doubt.
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the most interesting music being made right now is not coming out of academia of the modern day at all and this is a huge reason why.
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Whatever that 2016 MAGA vibe is… is WHAT I want to do to music, I want to MAKE MUSIC GREAT AGAIN, with a BASED tonal melodic symphony that transcends yet integrates the achievements of our canon, it must be as avant garde as it is accessible
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I couldn't agree more
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As though expecting that something new is just going to crop up any day now? I would like to know is style being copied or technique? And since so much experimental music of the kind you mentioned was about extended techniques and technology itself, I feel style got lost anyway in a kind of general feeling of an engineered music...
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It is of course the inevitable fate of every "avant garde" to become the rear guard at some point. :-)
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What style of music is THS? I dont know.. Millenial ll Fusion I think.
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This guy is definitely competent at saying very little but in an academic way. The Jordan Peterson of music!
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@Invert_Scrub
2 months ago
I would guess that it has more to do with many of these students not feeling comfortable in their own musical voices yet. So, they look to the most avant-garde developments and write derivatively in the hopes that they appear more sophisticated.
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