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You have lore accurate Norman Osborne hair
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A few months before he died, one of my teachers, the conductor Max Rudolf, said to me: “As far as the arts are concerned, we live in a damned century. The important achievements of this period are technological. Generously, one or two composers from the past hundred years may be remembered—Bartók possibly, because of his affinity with folk music, but nobody else. Think of me in fifty years and see if it is not so.” I think of him often, watching now as even Beethoven and Schubert fall under broad attack.
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My composition teacher Marjory Irvin at Lawrence Conservatory, (a student of Nadia Boulanger) had a similar lament in the late 70's. In her youth, she and her fellow musicians were on fire about whatever Bartok came up with next.
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Do you think concert music/composition NEEDS a large change or dramatically different ideas? People are still making unique art with the tools we have, and I think thats super interesting, The twentieth century composers explored almost everything we had available. They made the loudest, quietest, fastest, slowest music possible. Now we are building our own stories from all of those possibilities. Thats just my two cents tho I'd like to hear what other people think.
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Samuel, who would you suggest listening to/learning from to, to advance the state of music?
I have learned about your channel years ago from your analysis of Jandek and Captain Beafheat. Much thanks!
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I love listening to you, Samuel. I believe that out there, there is at least a single composer who's actually been spending these decades perfecting a marvelous opus in secrecy, the kind of life work that changes music forever.
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Never seen so many cuts lmao
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This "sleeper stage" applies to the other arts as well. It's also possible it could last a century or more.
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I have hope that art music communities will see a Copernican revolution in the near future. Of course, there are significant counterforces. A particularly despicable yet prevalent one is turfism. What’s the remedy? For one, we need composers who don’t just write great music, but can express big ideas through their speech and writings. You are a great example of that.
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You just haven't examined my work. Start with my Chorale Etudes.
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You’re obviously more conversant in contemporary music than I, but I would put the transition at the beginning of the postmodern age in the late ’60s. Look at the output of a composer like Lucas Foss, which is basically an encyclopedia of every trend of that era, and a roadmap for everything that came after. After aleatorism, there were no more revolutions left to be had, and while many of the avant-gardeists were self-consciously hippyish, they never found the union with youth culture and popular culture they wanted.
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My response would be: Graham Lambkin 😇
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I’m pretty sure archaeopteryx did not see itself as a transitional species. Composers today similarly lack the broader scope of just how important their contributions may end up being to future generations. There is still much to mine in Feldman, Boulez, even television music of the 1970s believe it or not.
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I know it's always polemic with the vanguardists, but, I don't think there is a need to keep looking for different techniques and styles... We should look more at the details and soul of the music now... The post war mentality had it's time nad place...
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Ok, fluffy comment here. I’ve said the same about fashion. Nothing new since the 80s. Honestly, you could almost take a snapshot of a high school in 1990, and compare it to today and you’d be pressed to say exactly decade you were in. I love the concept that it’s “something in the air.” Like scientific breakthroughs that are discovered on multiple continents at the same time…
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There aren't going to be any more dramatic shifts because pretty much most of the "original ideas" have been tried... and I wonder what is meant by original? The kind of original where every composer has to have their own system of composing? that was an over-rated idea that led to a lot of obscure and unlistenable music...I think the pause was the silence after the inevitable splat of the leap into the abyss. Sam likes that music best I think...From other perspectives it's a relief to be at the end of "original" ideas that come out of the intellect and ignored the subconscious while giving lip service to it in longwinded conceptual notes. In the immortal words of Bob Dylan:
"The highway is for gamblers, better use your sense
Take what you have gathered from coincidence
The empty-handed painter from your streets
Is drawing crazy patterns on your sheets
The sky too is folding under you
And it's all over now, Baby Blue"
Let some self-proclaimed genius wrack their brain over what new thing in music to try that nobody else has ever done...Good luck to him...it's likely to be even more unlistenable...maybe composing in frequencies the human ear can't hear. Oh, wait has anyone tried to build a hyperbaric chamber big enough to fit an orchestra? let's play Beethoven backwards in a hyperbaric chamber and call it new music. The last 400 years can't be erased..we are where we are and it is going to be the unique voices that will stand out--if they are not drowned out by professionalism and a stagnant classical music establishment...whoever can cobble together some fascinating and coherent hybrid from the past and the last century of foment. Make it new.
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This a problem for almost all artisitc production in my opinion. When was the last time you actually heard a completely original gentre of music? Genuinely think it might be rap/hiphop. Stuff like vaporware, newer jazz or even black metal seem to me just modifications of an already established music formuala. I do think though this a problem for all arts (maybe even science). There really is nothing revolutionary new I can point to in the last 20 - 30 years or so. No paradigm shift or epistemic break. Just a recondite combination of differing elements. But maybe I'm overtly pessimistic.
I know this video is more about "classical" music (whatever that means now) but it does seems to me to be widespread phenomenon.
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Maybe we painted ourselves into a corner by trying to always be innovative, "revolutionary". Bach shows that there is no need to want to be "revolutionary" to create stupendous works of art.
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Instead of slumber I prefer "digestion". Back in the 1960s, Charles Wuorinen proposed that we haven't spent enough time processing and integrating the revolutions of the past few decades. He could be right!
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@stvp68
1 month ago
I was a music major in the 1980s and recently realized I didn’t know much about classical trends post 1990. But it seems that music has been much more conservative in these decades compared to the mid-century.
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